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Come Up Hither

In this study, you will see a prime example, of how those who teach the rapture, twist the scriptures to fit their doctrine. This is very easy to see and I hope it will put you on guard and cause you to examine the rapture more closely. I will say that some who teach this just don't know any better but it's still dangerous nonetheless. Will you listen to God's word or take their word for it?

Revelation 4

1) After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.

If you go back and read chapter 1 verses 1-9, you will find that John is the one these things were showed to on the Lord's day. So I ask, who is the one who looked and saw a door open in heaven? Who heard a voice as it were a trumpet talking to them? If you were taking an English test and you said the church, you would surely fail. I realize this may be over simplifying the issue, but why would anyone believe this has anything to do with the church? This defies rational thought and goes against even the most basic reading skills we all learned in Elementary School.  In order for you to believe this is being addressed to the church you have to ignore the rules of grammar, ignore the word of God and add an object that there is no article for. This is adding to the word of God. We are warned about doing such things in Revelation chapter 22:18.

Revelation 22

18) For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

Another popular misconception, that is used to support the rapture theory, is that the church is not mentioned after Revelation Chapter 4. One of the problems we have when we try and refute this statement in discussions, is that, whenever we show where the church is mentioned, it is dismissed and we get the explanation "those are tribulation saints". Since this has become such a crutch for a failing doctrine, we have decided to look at this from a different perspective. Chapters 4-6 all link to one another and are chronological. Let's look at some scripture and prove this point and see what we can learn from the Word of God.

Revelation 4

2) And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.

3) And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald.

4) And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold.

5) And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God.

6) And before the throne there was a sea of glass like unto crystal: and in the midst of the throne, and round about the throne, were four beasts full of eyes before and behind.

Revelation 5

1)  And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals.

2) And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof?

As you can see, when we get to Revelation Chapter 5, John is still looking upon the throne and seeing things that are happening in heaven. Now though,  John notices a book in the hand of the One that sat on the throne. The book of the seven seals. This chapter will lead us in to chapter 6 and the opening of the seals. 

Revelation 6

1)  And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see.

2) And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.

Here is where we really need to think about the come up hither theory. According to this teaching, the event in Rev.4:1, is symbolic of the church. I'm not really sure when John became a symbol for the church, in any case, this is their interpretation. Keeping this in mind and now having proven chapters 4-6 are chronological, then the church should not see these seals opened. The seals are opened after the event in Rev 4:1 and the church should be taken away in the rapture before these things come to pass. The white horse, (first seal), has a rider which is seen with a bow. This bow, if we look to the Greek, (toxon), is from the simplest fabric. Not a bow like an archer and not the beautiful rainbow we see around the throne in Revelation 4:3. This is a fake! I want you to notice this is the very first seal, and also the very first warning we receive in Matthew 24. Is Jesus trying to tell us something? Perhaps that the deceiver is coming first?

Matthew 24

4)  And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.

5) For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

Let's now go through some of the seals and compare them to Matthew 24 so we have a second witness.

Revelation 6

3)  And when he had opened the second seal, I heard the second beast say, Come and see.

4) And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword.

Here we read about a red horse (a war horse).

Matthew 24

6) And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.

Seals 3 and 4 of Revelation

5) And when he had opened the third seal, I heard the third beast say, Come and see. And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand.

6) And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine.

7) And when he had opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth beast say, Come and see.

8) And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.

In these two seals we see famine, pestilence and war. All are prophecies we are very familiar with.

Matthew 24

7) For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.

8) All these are the beginning of sorrows.

I just want you to notice how we are given the seals in Matthew 24 as well Rev 6. We have two witnesses here and by comparing them both, we can gain a better understanding of how these things will happen. Now, if we are to believe the come up hither doctrine, the church should be in heaven by the time we see these things come to pass. I don't think that's a stretch, it's just logical if we are to believe their theory. The problem is,  we are seeing these things happen before our very eyes and to my knowledge, no rapture has occurred. If it did, you missed it friends. Is the Bible wrong, or is this doctrine wrong? 

Still not convinced? Have you heard of any wars or rumors of wars lately? What about famine and pestilence, do you know of any countries whose people are dying from starvation? How about pestilence, heard of any epidemic breakouts of disease, aids perhaps? Verse 8 says these are the beginnings of sorrows. You are here for the beginning and will be for the end as well. There is no rapture!

Let's look at one more point on this subject. In Revelation Chapter 1, John is given an explanation of some of the things he is seeing. Of particular interest are the seven stars and seven golden candlesticks.

Revelation 1

20) The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches.

The seven golden candlesticks are a symbol for the seven churches we read about in chapter two and three. I just want to point out that this is how you know if a person, place or thing is symbolic for another in God's Word. He tells us it is. I wish someone would tell me where in the Word we find that John is a symbol for the church. Now, about these churches, there are only two of them that God was happy with. Smyrna and Philadelphia. If you read through those two chapters this is very easy to determine. Now, let's look for proof, that those churches will be here during the tribulation period. Disregarding any scriptures that could be perceived as "tribulation saints".

Revelation 11

3)  And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

4) These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.

5) And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.

6) These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

7) And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

Rightly dividing the word, we know that the two olive trees and the two candlesticks are not one in the same. The two olive trees would be a good study for another time but we want to find out about these two candlesticks. We were told back in Revelation Chapter 1 that the candlesticks are the churches. As we know, there were only two that were pleasing to God and this must be the two we are reading about here. It's clear that they will be here during the tribulation. These are God's servants, not tribulation saints but two churches who knew the truth and were used by God during this time. The rest fell in league with the antichrist. There are so may holes in the come up hither theory. It is based on assumptions, not scripture, let the scriptures tell the story and let God be your guide.


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